Create a live CD

[alexmyczko]

would that be hard to create? i have no idea of non-debian based linux distributions.

[trunkmaster]

I've never created a live CD. Do you know how to create Debian based live CD?

It would be great if you create live CD and share results of you work (build scripts, configuration files)! Could you?

[alexmyczko]

Yeah I do that http://livecd.gnustep.org after all, but it was painful everytime different, and I'm behind 2 years.

For Fedora/CentOS you might want to check: https://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/InstallFromUSBkey

[nicktelindert]

I have some spare time so i could look into it

[trunkmaster]

@alexmyczko, let's change title to "Create Live CD". So this topic can be used as task and discussion.
I assign this issue to @nicktelindert.

[nicktelindert]

I will start with it tonight, i think i have a basic idea about how to do it.

• I first create one for boot only, so without any installation options
• Later goal is to look into installation possiblities

[trunkmaster]

@nicktelindert I guess boot only will be great step ahead. Do not hesitate to ask questions if you face with problems.

[nicktelindert]

@trunkmaster I think i use the livecd-tools from redhat, which seem pretty easy to use. But i need DNF for that. I probably use a virtualmachine to build the ISO because i run Debian 10 on my system. I hope to have a test ISO in the upcoming week

[nicktelindert]

@trunkmaster BTW building NextSpace in CentOS 8 or RHEL seems nearly impossible. They removed alot of development packages which are required to build NextSpace. And for most of them no third party repository was available. I mostly used pkgs.org to search for third party packages.

[trunkmaster]

@nicktelindert I know that RedHat removed some packages from RHEL/CentOS 8. It's better to build live CD with CentOS 7. I've made missed packages for CentOS 8 by myself using srpms from 7 (it's not that hard). I'll try to find specs and send you.

[nicktelindert]

I am using CentOS 7 now in a VM, the kernel is too old to install on my xps 13 that's why i've tried CentOS 8. I hadn't thought of using the srpms of centos 7. Thanks for mentioning it.

[nicktelindert]

I put my Kickstart script on my own github: https://github.com/nicktelindert/nextspace-build-iso

Not tested yet, am still working on it.

[nicktelindert]

A test ISO: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1s-jG79uuR0hyrexpZFo7YE1LQNNuLxGw
Please help me test and report issues.

[BertrandDekoninck]

Great ! Tested in Virtualbox. I can set the monitor resolution, the keyboard layout, choose the locale (with no effect as Workspace isn’t translated yet in French). I didn't manage to have sound yet, and the iso misses a bunch of apps (and app wrappers too) to demonstrate the system could be usefull. But Nextspace itself is impressive.

Bertrand Dekoninck

[nicktelindert]

Great ! Tested in Virtualbox. I can set the monitor resolution, the keyboard layout, choose the locale (with no effect as Workspace isn’t translated yet in French). I didn't manage to have sound yet, and the iso misses a bunch of apps (and app wrappers too) to demonstrate the system could be usefull. But Nextspace itself is impressive.

Bertrand Dekoninck

• I dont think the workspace has any translations yet.

• for the base apps i have an issue open. My first goal was getting the basics work. Do you have any suggestions for some base apps? I need to fix some issues with my app wrapper too. It seems to have some issues with centos 7.

I look into the audio issue, do you know which chip you used in virtualbox?

[nicktelindert]

For suggestions on base apps i recommend to post suggestions here:
nicktelindert/nextspace-build-iso#3

[trunkmaster]

This live-cd is a great way to test NextSpace. I've installed the system in VirtualBox using the anaconda installer provided by the live-cd. It works like a charm, much more efficient than a classical Centos install followed by the install of nextspace packages.
But there are some rough edges.

• I miss the french mac keyboard in NextSpace Preferences app : it isn't listed, even if I selected it in Anaconda. Should I file an issue against Preferences ?

Do you mean Apple keyboard with French layout? Then you should make setup in Keyboard Preferences: "Model" section for keyboard type and "Layouts" section for French layout.

• I've reported an issue with new users home creation here [https://github.com/nicktelindert/nextspace-build-iso/issues/14]. The folder is created in /home instead of /Users.
• I wanted to compile rik theme but gnustep.sh isn't sourced and I could not find where it is located in NextSpace filesystem. Isn't gnustep-make installed ? Should I install libobjc and clang as well ?

Obviously development packages is not installed. nextspace*-dev RPMS place all necessary files into /Developer directory. Environment will be set up with /etc/profile.d/nextspace.sh file automatically at shell launch (for example in Terminal).
Please create issue at @nicktelindert project page.

Last two issues which are not related to CD itself, but I report them first here.
• I could test more extensively the drag and drop with Workspace, but did not manage at first glance to move or copy a file/directory between Workspace's windows. I eventually manage to achieve move by dragging an icon from the shelf of the first window to the shelf of the second window. A drag between the windows contents themselves doesn't work.
I don't know how to copy either. The copy menuentry doesn't work .
Is this the intended behaviour or something to adressed ? I don't think it is very usable for now and it's difficult to figure out. I only tried the shelf because I know it's it's a way to do in GWorkspace, but other people will be disappointed.

Please read Workspace's help (Cmd-?) "Working with Files and Folders" section.

• I wanted to define Workspace as default program for Firefox to open folders (in the download manager), but I could'nt find the correct way in Firefox dialog : I selected Workspace executable in Workspace.app folder but this doesn't work. Should I file an issue elsewhere ?

It's not supported yet. Please create and issue in this project.

I've got other issues with Workspace and themes I could discuss later.

[nicktelindert]

@trunkmaster i first finish some issues, development packages will be added in the next release. I find it difficult to say when i will do a next test release. I first want to fix stuff that i consider showstoppers.

[BertrandDekoninck]

• I miss the french mac keyboard in NextSpace Preferences app : it isn't listed, even if I selected it in Anaconda. Should I file an issue against Preferences ?

Do you mean Apple keyboard with French layout? Then you should make setup in Keyboard Preferences: "Model" section for keyboard type and "Layouts" section for French layout.

Yes, an Apple keyboard with French layout. It's listed as Mac variant in Anaconda layouts. I don't understand, which Keyboard Preferences you are talking about ? I meant NextSpace Preferences and I don't see a "Model" section in it. Only a layout section. See below :

Please read Workspace's help (Cmd-?) "Working with Files and Folders" section.
This doesn't work, neither with the menuentry nor with the shortcut. Is the help installed ? By the way, the modyfier key is Alt, not Cmd, after the install for me. I didn't change it.

[trunkmaster]

@BertrandDekoninck I'm sorry. Everything I've taked about doesn't exist in 0.85 release. It's in master.

[nicktelindert]

BTW i take some time off, i probably start again next week. I probably am at week a lot the upcoming time, I expect my country to go in lockdown very soon. My government failed to respond in time and now the infections are rising very quickly. They expect that almost half of the country will be infected.

[alexmyczko]

Can you name your country?

[nicktelindert]

@alexmyczko the Netherlands, we are already out of testkits to test patients and medical personal.

[alexmyczko]

@nicktelindert Don't worry, we're not far behind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Europe#Pandemic_by_country (Switzerland)

[nicktelindert]

@alexmyczko Our real numbers are much higher than that, we have a lot of sick people which can not be confirmed because we can't test them. If we count the people who are suspected to have corona our numbers double. The amount of increase of sick people is now pretty much equal to italy. The governments plan is to slowly get the population infected in a controlled manner to build Herd immunity.

[alexmyczko]

that is off topic but are you allowed to work from home? lockdown?

[nicktelindert]

@alexmyczko Yeah most people work from home now. To get this government plan to work we need at least 70% of the people to be infected. So i dont know how i feel about this plan.

[nicktelindert]

It just has been confirmed that we have 6000 infections, so much higher than expected. We started out with a few hundred a few days ago.

[felixding]

It seems that @nicktelindert has archived the project. Can someone please take over? We need to have an easy way for people to try and hopefully contribute to NEXTSPACE.

[nicktelindert]

Sorry, i could not find any spare time to work on this. I did a little cleaning up of my github. Can people still fork it when it is archived? If not i could de-archive it.

[armm77]

hi @felixding, create an iso image similar to @nicktelindert, you can try and see if it works for you.