diff --git a/VortexEngine/src/Colors/Colorset.cpp b/VortexEngine/src/Colors/Colorset.cpp
index b90d95ea35..c5ebfafa7f 100644
--- a/VortexEngine/src/Colors/Colorset.cpp
+++ b/VortexEngine/src/Colors/Colorset.cpp
@@ -228,7 +228,14 @@ void Colorset::randomize(Random &ctx, uint8_t numColors)
   ValueStyle valStyle = (ValueStyle)ctx.next8(0, VAL_STYLE_COUNT);
 
   for (uint8_t i = 0; i < numColors; ++i) {
-    addColorWithValueStyle(ctx, ctx.next8(), ctx.next8(), valStyle, numColors, i);
+    // call next8 explicitly in this order because the order they
+    // are called is undefined when called as parameters to another function.
+    // ex: f(a,b,c) may call in the order a,b,c or c,b,a depending on compiler.
+    // So different compilers may produce different results, 
+    // but like this it is explicit
+    uint8_t sat = ctx.next8();
+    uint8_t hue = ctx.next8();
+    addColorWithValueStyle(ctx, hue, sat, valStyle, numColors, i);
   }
 }
 
diff --git a/VortexEngine/src/Menus/MenuList/Randomizer.cpp b/VortexEngine/src/Menus/MenuList/Randomizer.cpp
index d741d3eb71..c3614f96e3 100644
--- a/VortexEngine/src/Menus/MenuList/Randomizer.cpp
+++ b/VortexEngine/src/Menus/MenuList/Randomizer.cpp
@@ -230,40 +230,56 @@ bool Randomizer::rollPattern(Random &ctx, Mode *pMode, LedPos pos)
 
 void Randomizer::traditionalPattern(Random &ctx, PatternArgs &outArgs)
 {
-  outArgs.init(
-    ctx.next8(1, 20),  // on duration 1 -> 20
-    ctx.next8(8, 60)   // off duration 0 -> 60
-  );
+  // call next8 explicitly in this order because the order they
+   // are called is undefined when called as parameters to another function.
+   // ex: f(a,b,c) may call in the order a,b,c or c,b,a depending on compiler.
+   // So different compilers may produce different results, 
+   // but like this it is explicit
+  uint8_t off = ctx.next8(8, 60);   // off duration 0 -> 60
+  uint8_t on = ctx.next8(1, 20);    // on duration 1 -> 20 
+  outArgs.init(on, off);
 }
 
 void Randomizer::gapPattern(Random &ctx, PatternArgs &outArgs)
 {
-  outArgs.init(
-    ctx.next8(1, 10),   // on duration 1 -> 10
-    ctx.next8(0, 6),    // off duration 0 -> 6
-    ctx.next8(40, 100)  // gap duration 40 -> 100
-  );
+  // call next8 explicitly in this order because the order they
+  // are called is undefined when called as parameters to another function.
+  // ex: f(a,b,c) may call in the order a,b,c or c,b,a depending on compiler.
+  // So different compilers may produce different results, 
+  // but like this it is explicit
+  uint8_t gap = ctx.next8(40, 100); // gap duration 40 -> 100
+  uint8_t off = ctx.next8(0, 6);    // off duration 0 -> 6
+  uint8_t on = ctx.next8(1, 10);    // on duration 1 -> 10  
+  outArgs.init(on, off, gap);
 }
 
 void Randomizer::dashPattern(Random &ctx, PatternArgs &outArgs)
 {
-  outArgs.init(
-    ctx.next8(1, 10),  // on duration 1 -> 10
-    ctx.next8(0, 10),  // off duration 0 -> 10
-    ctx.next8(20, 30), // need gap 20 -> 30
-    ctx.next8(20, 30)  // dash duration 20 -> 30
-  );
+  // call next8 explicitly in this order because the order they
+  // are called is undefined when called as parameters to another function.
+  // ex: f(a,b,c) may call in the order a,b,c or c,b,a depending on compiler.
+  // So different compilers may produce different results, 
+  // but like this it is explicit
+  uint8_t dash = ctx.next8(20, 30); // dash duration 20 -> 30
+  uint8_t gap = ctx.next8(20, 30);  // need gap 20 -> 30
+  uint8_t off = ctx.next8(0, 10);   // off duration 0 -> 10 
+  uint8_t on = ctx.next8(1, 10);    // on duration 1 -> 10
+  outArgs.init(on, off, gap, dash);
 }
 
 void Randomizer::crushPattern(Random &ctx, PatternArgs &outArgs)
 {
-  outArgs.init(
-    ctx.next8(1, 10),  // on duration 1 -> 10
-    ctx.next8(0, 10),  // off duration 0 -> 5
-    ctx.next8(20, 40), // need gap 20 -> 40
-    0,                 // dash 0
-    ctx.next8(0, 8)    // groupsize 0 to 8
-  );
+  // call next8 explicitly in this order because the order they
+   // are called is undefined when called as parameters to another function.
+   // ex: f(a,b,c) may call in the order a,b,c or c,b,a depending on compiler.
+   // So different compilers may produce different results, 
+   // but like this it is explicit
+  uint8_t group = ctx.next8(0, 8);  // groupsize 0 to 8
+  uint8_t dash = 0;                 // dash 0 
+  uint8_t gap = ctx.next8(20, 40);  // need gap 20 -> 40
+  uint8_t off = ctx.next8(0, 10);   // off duration 0 -> 5
+  uint8_t on = ctx.next8(1, 10);    // on duration 1 -> 10
+  outArgs.init(on, off, gap, dash, group);
 }
 
 PatternID Randomizer::rollPatternID(Random &ctx)